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Trump’s SOTU emphasized the strong U.S. labor market, restated his ideological commitment to a border wall that stood at the heart of the recent governments shutdown, and highlighted some big geopolitical news: our pullout from the INF treaty and a meeting with China’s XI Jinping later this month on trade. But there, is always, more to to be said. This week’s podcast features Jeffrey Engel, founding director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University, to get a deeper take take on the speech and what it means in context.